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Money.pl / 2009-04-22 06:25
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gio / 2009-04-22 12:57 / portfel / Tysiącznik na forum
idm po 1,65
idma po 1,44
...ot życie!
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:57
Strata AMD większa (-0,62 $ na akcję), sprzedaż spadła o 21%.
Krzych / 2009-04-22 13:03 / Płoteczka na forum
daj namiary m/m i zobaczysz coś innego
TRTami / 2009-04-22 12:55
kurde no niech wreszczie wyjada na kontraktach powyzej 1700pkt bo szkoda czasu jak dla mnie :)
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:59
Nie wyjdą, bo już się zapakowali w S-ki, teraz dobierają na tym samym poziomie. Zaraz spadki.
TRTami / 2009-04-22 13:01
ale leszcze na 1700pkt pewnie maja stopy pozakladane wiec mogli by wyjsc i pyknac jakiegosc takowego szczyta
TRTami / 2009-04-22 13:02
zreszta hu... z tym , najwyzej troche mniej zarobie

jak ma spadac to niech spada
Zielarz / 2009-04-22 12:55 / Uparty Gracz Giełdowy
plastik cos w modzie ...
anna. / 2009-04-22 12:54 / Uznany Gracz Giełdowy
niech zrobią +9% i wszystko sprzedam :)
pietroo / 2009-04-22 12:58 / portfel / Mistrz gry: „Najlepsze spółki tygodnia"
na WIG20?
anna. / 2009-04-22 13:01 / Uznany Gracz Giełdowy
tak :))))
pietroo / 2009-04-22 13:02 / portfel / Mistrz gry: „Najlepsze spółki tygodnia"
też tak chcę :))
nieuk. / 80.55.243.* / 2009-04-22 12:52
proponuje by ci co nie maja racji i prawie zawsze sie myla...

wiecej sie tu nie kompromitowali...)))
keny chchoty besiory TRTami.... itp..))

przez was ludzie moze kasy nie zarobili...

jak takich baranków sie naczytaja..))
ururu / 2009-04-22 13:00 / Uznany Gracz Giełdowy
a kto się sugeruje wpisami na forum?
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:49
Based on its Q1 2009 Quarterly Financial Data Supplement, we find that:

1. Net credit losses in Citi’s global credit card business surged from $1.67 billion at year-end 2008 to $1.94 billion by March 31. And compared to March 2008, they surged by a whopping 56 percent! (Page 9 of its data supplement.)

2. Foretelling future credit card losses, the delinquency rate (90+ days past due) on those credit cards jumped from 2.62 percent at year-end to 3.16 percent on March 31 (page 10).

3. Credit losses on consumer banking operations jumped from $3.442 billion on December 31 to $3.786 billion on March 31. And compared to the year-earlier period, they surged 66 percent (page 12).

By almost every measure, Citigroup’s first-quarter numbers are worse than they were just three months earlier and far worse than they were 12 months before.

My forecast: Citigroup’s effort last week to twist this into an “improvement” will go down in history as one of the greatest banking deceptions of all time.

But Citigroup is not the only one. Nearly all other major banks are suffering similar surges in their credit losses and delinquency rates. Nearly all are using at least one of the same gimmicks to bloat their first-quarter profits. And every single one is destined to see massive new losses, driving their shares to new lows and the banking system as a whole into a far more severe crisis.
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:48
First, Citigroup deployed the Toxic Asset Cover-Up. By inflating the value of the bad assets on its books, it was able to beef up its after-tax profits by $413 million.

Second, Citigroup used the Reserve Flim-Flam gimmick: By (a) shoving most of its bad-debt losses into last year’s fourth quarter and (b) greatly understating its likely losses in the first quarter, the bank legally rigged its books to look like it had made major improvements. Even assuming no further deterioration in its loan portfolio, I estimate this gimmick alone bloated profits by at least another $1 billion.

Third, Citigroup went all out with the Great Debt Sham, marking down its own debt and creating an additional $2.7 billion in purely bogus profits from this maneuver alone.

So here’s Citigroup’s true math for the first quarter:

So-called “profit”

$1.6 billion
Gimmick #1

$0.4 billion
Gimmick #2

$1.0 billion
Gimmick #3

$2.7 billion
Total gimmicks

$4.1 billion



Actual result:

$2.5 billion LOSS!

And all this despite the fact that Citigroup’s loan portfolios actually deteriorated further in the first quarter.
jk3179 / 2009-04-22 12:46 / Tysiącznik na forum
Zniesienie podatku Belki byłoby dobrym sygnałem dla oszczędzania, zbudowałoby solidne podstawy do wzrostu gospodarki - powiedział wczoraj wicepremier i minister gospodarki Waldemar Pawlak we wtorek
Zielarz / 2009-04-22 12:51 / Uparty Gracz Giełdowy
taa tylko ze on myslal chyba tylko o lokatach. przy braku belki na lokata a obecnosci na gieldzie to my sie szybko nie podniesiemy chyba ze jest tak jak teraz - grubasy sprzedaja a kupuja nasze ofe ktych zarzadzajacy sa albo glupi albo im za to zaplacono (hipoteza oczywiscie)
g ol d / 2009-04-22 12:51 / Plunąć z brzegu...
Waldek, waldek... nie p******, siorbaj Dude...
TRTami / 2009-04-22 12:53
duda teraz bedzie spadac na 50gr bo ja juz calos wywalilem dzisiaj
g ol d / 2009-04-22 12:54 / Plunąć z brzegu...
Waldek siorbie, różnie może być...
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:46
Legal Cover-Ups, Flim-Flam and Sham
In the Big Bank’s “Glowing”
First-Quarter Earnings Reports

Wall Street is aglow with the latest “better-than-expected” earnings reports by major banks. But take one look below the surface, and you’ll see three of the most egregious accounting gimmicks in recent history.

Gimmick #1. Toxic asset cover-up. In their infinite wisdom, global banking regulators have now agreed to let banks cover up their toxic assets by booking them at fluffy-high values, bearing little resemblance to actual market prices. Like magic, the bad assets are suddenly worth more, as hundreds of billions in losses are defined away.

Gimmick #2. Reserve flim-flam. Every quarter, banks are required to estimate their losses and decide how much to set aside in loss reserves. If they deliberately guess too much in one quarter and too little in the next, they can shove all their bad earnings into earlier P&Ls and make future P&Ls look rosy by comparison.

Gimmick #3. The great debt sham. Consider this scenario: A financially distressed real estate developer owes the bank $4 million. His revenues have plunged. He’s lost a fortune in his properties. And he’s on the brink of bankruptcy.
000000 / 194.54.85.* / 2009-04-22 12:45
a na koniec dnia bedzie 1640
Longterm / 2009-04-22 12:45 / Mostek Zwyciężymy!
Ken będziesz miał swoje chwile tryumfu niebawem...ale zrozum - oni muszą jeszcze te akcje oddać
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:42
Regional banks: Banking regulators have been largely mute regarding major regional banks. But several are also at risk of failure, including Compass Bank (Alabama), Fifth Third (Michigan), Huntington (Ohio), and E*Trade Bank (Virginia). Primary reason: Massive losses in commercial real estate loans.

Smaller banks: On its “Problem List,” the FDIC reports only 252 institutions with assets of $159 billion. In contrast, our list of at-risk institutions includes 1,816 banks and thrifts with $4.67 trillion in assets. That’s seven times the number of institutions and 29 times more assets at risk than the FDIC admits.
NOOVAA / 2009-04-22 12:45 / Pan Forumowicz (ponad 500 wypowiedzi)
Człowieku, jakie Ty normy wyrabiasz na tym forum: jakościowe, czy ilościowe.Litości!
TRTami / 2009-04-22 12:46
dobrze ze to wkleja,
przynajmniej nie musisz latac po stronach, a tu to przynajmniej wesolo jest
NOOVAA / 2009-04-22 12:50 / Pan Forumowicz (ponad 500 wypowiedzi)
OK.
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:41
* Citibank is the nation’s third largest, with assets of $1.2 trillion in its main banking unit. Its total credit exposure to derivatives is a bit lower than Morgan’s, at 278 percent, but still extremely high. Plus, it has other troubles, especially the surging default rates in its sprawling global portfolio of credit cards and other consumer loans. (More on these in a moment.)

* Wells Fargo and Wachovia now make up the nation’s fourth largest bank with combined assets of $1.17 trillion. But in the fourth quarter, they still reported separately, which is illuminating: Even without Wachovia’s troubled assets, TheStreet.com Ratings has downgraded Wells Fargo to a D+. Wachovia, meanwhile, got a D. This tells you that Wells Fargo wasn’t exactly the best merger partner, unless you believe in some bizarre math wherein adding two negatives somehow gives you a positive result.

* SunTrust, with $185 billion in assets, is getting hit hard by the collapse in the commercial real estate. Its Financial Strength Rating is D+.

* HSBC Bank USA has massive credit exposure to derivatives that’s even greater than Morgan’s: 550 percent of risk-based capital. We’re not looking at its larger foreign operations. But the U.S. numbers are ugly enough, meriting a rating of D+.

* Goldman Sachs, which reported for the first time as a commercial bank in the fourth quarter, seems to be taking the biggest risks of all in derivatives. Its total credit exposure is 1,056 percent of capital. Bottom line: It debuts as a bank with a rating of D, on par with Wachovia.
Chichot historii / 83.5.238.* / 2009-04-22 12:41
* JPMorgan Chase is the nation’s largest, with $1.7 trillion in assets in its primary banking unit. It’s massively exposed to defaults by its trading partners in derivatives — to the tune of 382 percent (almost four times) its risk-based capital. Plus, since it holds HALF of ALL the derivatives in the U.S. banking industry, JPMorgan is at ground zero in the debt crisis.
JB / 2009-04-22 12:46
Niech zbankrutuują... wóczas WIG20 na 10000
Longterm / 2009-04-22 12:43 / Mostek Zwyciężymy!
dobry moment żeby brac na nich shorty - Rogers ich zarzyna zdaje się od pewnego czasu
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